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What about buying crypto with a debit card that you cant have people follow. I get buying BTC and swapping to XMR. But the BTC still have to be purchased first. Let's say hypothetically you have someone's debit card credentials. All but the pin. How would you go about turning this into XMR and not leading an investigation directly to you? /u/Selenium

Calling fent a "media scare word" is rich. Fent caused a massive increase in drug overdoses and killed an enormous number of people. Especially those fake pressed oxys. Drug deaths used to be hard drug addicts who had been using for years. Now suddenly it was every demographic, including kids and first time users.

Most blue boxes aren't in locations with cameras. Take a look at USPS location maps.

But also realize how weird it is for a postal worker to find multiple packages from a business in a random blue box - and they'll also notice how similar packages keep appearing in different blue boxes on their route. You need to stick out as little as possible. The fact that most DNM packs are priority flat rate packages is bad enough. Want to actually be stealthy? Use your own boxes or packs, and use ground shipping instead of priority.

Vendors often travel long distances, spread each day's shipments over multiple locations, and go weeks to months before shipping from the same site again. The feds typically catch targeted vendors by learning where they operate, and patiently conducting surveillance until they find a person wearing latex gloves while shipping multiple priority packs.

How do vendors choose return addresses? Every vendor is different, and they're not going to tell you.

doingfedtime used the addresses of registered sex offenders. His interviews are an absolute must watch. He covers his entire vending operation: labels, packaging, shipping, crypto to cash methods, and all the mistakes that got him caught.

As for clearnet --> VPN --> Tor, that option is not possible with Tails or Whonix.

I've been on DNMs since late 2011. I remember BTC under $5. Back then I used BitInstant and gosh I wish I had saved some BTC instead of spending it all on drugs. When SR1 was taken down I had $275 deposited on the site. Imagine what that would be worth now!

Cake wallet is a wallet, not a DEX. The exchange used on the app requires KYC.

Cashing out large amounts of crypto to bank accounts under your name is going to attract a lot of unwanted attention. That's a quick path to getting caught. Check out /d/Laundromat to learn more about crypto laundering.

Buying or trading XMR is perfectly legal. Don't use stolen identifies to purchase crypto, It doesn't work.

Yes, the KYC exchange can see that your BTC was sent to another exchange. And yes, the feds could easily surveil or subpoena most exchanges to learn your BTC was swapped for XMR and withdrawn. But the trail goes cold after.

XMR transactions are fully private - sender, receiver, and amount. They might know the XMR address you used, but can't see its balance or transaction history. (Still, never send directly from an exchange to DNM! Send to Monero/Cake/Feather wallet first. If the feds seize a DNM and its XMR address logs, exchanges can check if anyone ever withdrew to the DNM addresses.)

Sometimes people add one or more altcoin swaps before XMR (e.g. BTC --> LTC/ETH/SOL/etc. --> XMR). This isn't necessary, but it can't hurt. Wait a few days and vary the dollar amounts between swaps. Save the remainder for your next order. (If you swap $680.07 of BTC to LTC to XMR within minutes, it's exponentially easier to link your transactions.)

If you're very paranoid and want maximum privacy, consider the exchanges on kycnot. But this might attract unwanted attention or lead to a ban from your KYC exchange. (They know exactly why you chose some weird fringe exchange with worse exchange rates and low liquidity.) Personally I use Trocador and select the best rate among exchanges with an "A" privacy rating.

I have had plenty of experience with fentanyl and it's overdoses, and have watched most of my friends and close family die from it. I'm not making light of it or the people that pass it off as another substance. Just that it's unblievable how uinformed about certain things, and the media will take this and run with it. It's a word that strikes fear into people. Like the officers that came into contact with it and suddenly felt woozy, panicked, their hearts racing, and claimed they were having an overdose. But the symptoms they were truly suffering from was a panic attack, and not a single opiate related one. I hate fentanyl. Without divulging too much of my own personal story, I was a oxy to heroin addict for years, and fentanyl would pop into the supply here and there, but once it became the sole supply it destroyed it. It's not a fun drug. Its euphoria is minimal if at all and it's too sedating. Now the main supply is tranq. It began in Philly (after becoming a widely abused drug in Puerto Rico) and is one the nastiest drugs I have ever experienced and witnessed. Its severe vasoconstrictive, and doesn't allow blood to be carried to the area so it necrotizes and dies. It looks similar to krokodil, but they cause the necrosis separately. So I know how severe it is, but it doesn't stop from media fear mongering. And yes, we'd both be fairly rich men if we had only kept our crypto in our own wallets and not on exchanges or markets. But how were we to know? I'll check out laundromat. I wouldn't call it a large amount of crypto but I guess the practice is good to know.

I never have gone from exchange to market. My problem isn't moving my own BTC to XMR though and then cashing out. Hypothetically of course, it would be something like using stolen debit cards to first purchase the crypto, THEN swap to XMR and then cash out. How can you purchase the crypto first. I've dug around and looked at various options and the answers I get are usually to buy prepaid cards with the debit card, then use a p2p exchange for the BTC, then exhange to XMR. But it will be seen that the debit card was used to buy the prepaid cards and seems like a serious vulnerability. CakeWallet doesn't allow you to buy XMR straight from a debit card. So somehow people use stolen cards to get the first crypto before swapping.

/d/Carding for that topic. Using stolen debit cards to buy crypto, prepaid cards, or gift cards doesn't work. The banks aren't that stupid.

Stop trying to cut corners and pay for your crypto.

Check out localcoinswap or Retoswap for options to buy and sell crypto/XMR without KYC.

I've never stolen anything in my life, I just became curious how they do it after seeing how large fraud was in certain states. I've spent some hours over on carding, and most of it seems like a bunch of little punks that can't tell their heads from their asses. What's the point of having a forum if not for discussion? Cutting corners? Trying to figure out new methods of doing things and learning is like the sole purpose of this place. I don't get why you're choosing to pick at me. Between when you used to do money orders and such at banks, and before crypto was big enough to have all thes exchanges, I used to use localbitcoins, which is no longer around. You would just input a few things you were looking for and a list of people would generate. You selected who you'd like to do business with and deposit cash into their account and then they'd release funds. I cannot remember if idenitites were tied to the accounts though. There probably were.

Shifting from trying to use DNMs stealthily to debit card theft schemes is completely beyond the scope of the discussion. It doesn't belong on /d/Opsec, it belongs on /d/Carding. And of course no one is going to publicly share working methods for free.

Identities were always tied to the cash deposit accounts. You had to enter a business or personal name on the deposit slip, and the bank knows the account owner's identity. Many were later prosecuted for running unlicensed money transfer operations.

The post was made, I figured I'd ask while a discussion was happening. It's odd that people will share working methods for every other topic but this one. I don't remember that much info on the cash deposits. Now that I think of it, they may have even required you bring ID. As for being beyong the scope of Opsec, you could argue completing the task at hand while protecting your operations could fall under the topic.

Because publicly sharing working methods for carding or fraud means sharing it with the targets too.

Everyone will also try the new method all at once, including total noobs. The targets don't like to lose money - they will adapt and plug the hole.

Sharing methods risks losing an income source. No one is sharing anything publicly or for free.