My first order on DrugHub got bounced (return to sender, RTS) by the local postal service in central Europe for no obvious reason, so now I'm f*ed with no reship/refund and it seems I can't really use the postal system.
I need delivery to an existing but non-standard address. I am homeless, but I live there in a makeshift shelter and can be easily found by delivery people. Actually a DHL or GLS or DPD PaketShop or PaketBox would be better for me, but delivery to my home address is OK as long as failed delivery attempts do not result in automatic RTS.
What do DHL or GLS or DPD do if they can't (or won't) deliver a package in the first attempt? Do they deposit it somewhere for me to collect or do they indiscriminately RTS it off like the national postal service? Customer service considerations would suggest the former, but you never know, that's why I'm asking.
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Logistics questions about package delivery (Europe)
Started by towelbronco · Jul 29, 2026
You claim the first pack was RTS for no real reason, then in your next line you state you need delivery to a non-standard address and you are homeless but delivery people can easily find you....
Multiple Failed delivery attempts will always result in a RTS, no way around it. This is why its only recommended to use an active address which already receives regular mail. Not only did you burn the address, you burnt the vendors stealth too, I hope you informed them of the RTS.
Multiple Failed delivery attempts will always result in a RTS, no way around it. This is why its only recommended to use an active address which already receives regular mail. Not only did you burn the address, you burnt the vendors stealth too, I hope you informed them of the RTS.
hey mate i hope you doing well
next time order to a DHL Pickup Point store or DPD etc
wish all the best
next time order to a DHL Pickup Point store or DPD etc
wish all the best
I did not "burn" the address whatever that means, it's just that they don't deliver to it. I can fix that somehow, use a better drop address or use a private delivery service like UPS or DHL, who suffer from many of the same problems like the postal service. Just read some reviews of DPD/GLS/DHL packing stations, it's pretty much the same chaos with bounced and lost packages, no delivery attempts and so on, and if anything goes wrong nobody can really help you.
The address where I live exists and is pretty unambiguous, you can enter it in your nav and drive straight there and you'll find me right away, but the postal system doesn't service it. My mistake was to believe that they deliver to any street address as long as it's physically correct, but they don't. They only deliver to selected drop sites known to them, and these have some formal requirements like a doorsign and a clearly visible mailbox with a name on it, neither of which I have. Otherwise, no matter how clear the address, they will RTS it for formal reasons. With some good will, the mailman could have found me easily or he could have deposited the package instead of bouncing it. That's what I meant by "customer service considerations", you don't have to shoot a child for shoplifting a chewing gum, but that's sort of what they do. Reminds you of criminal law, where the slightest formal error results in an acquittal.
This brings me to another point, reship and refund. If DrugHub were a legal market like Amazon, I would have full reship or refund rights, not only because of consumer protection laws but also because normally the sender is responsible for unsuccessful deliveries by his chosen agent. That is logical because only the package sender concludes a contract with the delivery agent, the recipient has no legal role in this relationship (although he usually pays for it indirectly). That's why delivery services will always refer you to the sender in case of delivery problems, strictly speaking they don't even have to talk with you as the recipient, because their only contactual partner is the sender. This is hard to understand for most people, who believe that as a package recipient they have any rights towards the delivery company.
But here on Darknet it's usually the opposite, the buyer has to bear the risk of botched deliveries, which is unfair, especially given the bad reliability of most delivery services. This appears to be a side effect of the drug prohibition, which is unbalanced as well and mandates harsher penalties for drug sellers than for buyers. The sellers compensate by curtailing buyers' rights. Another example is a related tforum thread on why so many vendors avoid giving out tracking numbers.
The address where I live exists and is pretty unambiguous, you can enter it in your nav and drive straight there and you'll find me right away, but the postal system doesn't service it. My mistake was to believe that they deliver to any street address as long as it's physically correct, but they don't. They only deliver to selected drop sites known to them, and these have some formal requirements like a doorsign and a clearly visible mailbox with a name on it, neither of which I have. Otherwise, no matter how clear the address, they will RTS it for formal reasons. With some good will, the mailman could have found me easily or he could have deposited the package instead of bouncing it. That's what I meant by "customer service considerations", you don't have to shoot a child for shoplifting a chewing gum, but that's sort of what they do. Reminds you of criminal law, where the slightest formal error results in an acquittal.
This brings me to another point, reship and refund. If DrugHub were a legal market like Amazon, I would have full reship or refund rights, not only because of consumer protection laws but also because normally the sender is responsible for unsuccessful deliveries by his chosen agent. That is logical because only the package sender concludes a contract with the delivery agent, the recipient has no legal role in this relationship (although he usually pays for it indirectly). That's why delivery services will always refer you to the sender in case of delivery problems, strictly speaking they don't even have to talk with you as the recipient, because their only contactual partner is the sender. This is hard to understand for most people, who believe that as a package recipient they have any rights towards the delivery company.
But here on Darknet it's usually the opposite, the buyer has to bear the risk of botched deliveries, which is unfair, especially given the bad reliability of most delivery services. This appears to be a side effect of the drug prohibition, which is unbalanced as well and mandates harsher penalties for drug sellers than for buyers. The sellers compensate by curtailing buyers' rights. Another example is a related tforum thread on why so many vendors avoid giving out tracking numbers.